| Date | Original Topic |
| 5th December 2002 | Does anyone have any Information on J. Harman died at Isandhlwana.
By PETER HARMAN
How would I go about finding information on J. HARMAN. in the book they FELL LIKE STONES by J.Young (Is this the John Young) who gave me the excellent reply to my theory regarding the death of Pulline) What chance do I stand. Anyway on page 60
J.HARMAN is listed has being with the 1st Battalion,24th (2nd Warwickshires) If anyone has any Information on J.Harman I would be glad to hear it. |
| Date | Replies |
| 5th December 2002 | John Young
Peter,
Yes, it is the same - but I was actually replying to Peter Ewart's cricketing skit, rather than your theory!
On matters appertaining to the 24th - Martin Everett, as the Curator, normally likes to speak on their behalf.
No doubt though he will refer you to the late Norman Holmes' book 'The Noble 24th', which includes a brief entry on Pte. Harman.
If, however, you are U.K.-based, might I suggest a visit to the Public Record Office at Kew. There would suggest consulting the Pay & Muster Rolls of 1st/24th prior to Isandlwana, where you may gain some insight. However, there is an obvious break due to the rolls being lost on the battlefield of Isandlwana.
In some cases in the Casualty Roll for the Zulu & Afghan War the next of kin details appear so this is also one to check.
John Young,
A.-Z.W.R.S. |
| 5th December 2002 | John S Radburn
Peter
The only information that I have been able to find is as follows.
He was killed in action at the Battle of Isandhlwana on 22nd January 1879. Number on Muster Roll 946. His effects were claimed by next of kin. He received the Medal and Clasp ‘1879’. His regimental service number was 1-24/678.
Source 'The Noble 24th' by Norman Holme and
'The Medal Roll' by D R Forsyth
Regards
John R
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| 6th December 2002 | Martin Everett
What i cannot immediately tell is whether he had a 1-24th number or a 25 Brigade number. if the former he would have enlisted in Apr/May 1860 or the latter which is more probable in Nov 1875. Thats local knowledge which the books wouldn't tell you. |
| 6th December 2002 | John Young
Martin,
'The Noble 24th' has his number as '1st/24th' number. His forename is given as 'John', which is confirmed by another source I have.
John Young,
A.-Z.W.R.S. |
| 10th December 2002 | David Bluestein
I share the same frustration in finding little or (more likely) no information available for Isandlwana casualties. My subject is Pte. James Bull 1/24th. If anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear from you. Thanks in advance. |
| 10th December 2002 | John S Radburn
David
The only information that I can find is as follows.
He was killed in action at the Battle of Isandhlwana on 22nd January 1879.
To service companies on 15th April 1872.
His effects were claimed by next of kin.
Medal and Clasp ‘1877-8-9’.
His regimental service number was
124/1875.
Source 'They Fell like stones by John Young and 'The Noble 24th' by Norman Holme
Regards
John
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| 10th December 2002 | Martin Everett
David,
From his number he enlisted in the 24th in Feb/Mar 1872. |
| 11th December 2002 | David Bluestein
Thanks John and Martin. Both very helpful. Martin how can you determine an enlistment date based on a number?
Thanks again
David |
