The Rorke's Drift VC Discussion Forum
(View Discussion Rules)

** IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL USERS **

PLEASE NOTE: This forum is now inactive and is provided for reference purposes only. The live forum is available at www.rorkesdriftvc.com/forum

(Back To Topic List)

Date	Original Topic
22nd January 2003	Change of name of the A.-Z.W.R.S. By John Young With effect from this day, 22nd January, 2003, the Anglo-Zulu War Research Society becomes the Royal Zulu War Society, with the knowledge and approval of the Society's President, His Majesty King Goodwill Zwelithini. The Society is honoured to be granted this new title on the 124th anniversary of the Battle of Isandlwana - that great Zulu victory. John Young, Chairman, Royal Zulu War Society.
Date	Replies
22nd January 2003	Dave Nolan Congratulations, John. Does the change of title now mean that you have positively widened the remit of study beyond that of the 1879 Anglo Zulu conflict to look at all the other wars the Zulu fought too? Dave
22nd January 2003	Alan Critchley John, who do I and Peter make our cheques for membership payable to? A minor point I'm sure, but if you are British, it was a defeat. If you are a Zulu, it was a victory. Being British, it was a defeat. Alan [email protected]
22nd January 2003	George Hulmes You have Royal Patronage? Congratulations John, this really is a momentous occasion! Regards, George
22nd January 2003	Dewi Evans Fantastic news, congratulations John, and thank you for all your efforts in making this Society (RZWS) what it is, a pleasure and honour to be a member of. Dewi.
23rd January 2003	Martin Everett John, My understanding is that any society etc based in the UK that wishes to use the prefix 'Royal' has to obtain permission of the UK Home Office. This even applies to those which refer to a foreign Royal Family. Permission is rarely granted unless there is documentation of official direct Royal patronage in your case you may need permission from the RSA government as well. Sorry to put a dampener on things. I would be keen to know the aim and objectives of the (new) society, the mangement structure (is it a charity?), and what members can expect from their money? I say this because a AZW Society was formed some 3 years ago and one of the founding members ran off with all the money. I need this if you wish me to promote the society.
23rd January 2003	Bernie Drummond. Hello John, sorry to hear that I am no longer a member of the AZWRS, and like Dave, I wonder about the significance of the change of title, and the reasons for it. Perhaps, if we are still to receive the journal, all will be revealed. What was that noise? oh yes, Bartle Frere turning in his grave!
23rd January 2003	James Garland I'm a republican and I just find it amusing the lengths the British Royal family will go to in order to preserve their lofty status. If permission is refused can't we just call it the Royle Zulu War Society after the Royle Family on TV. James
23rd January 2003	John Young Martin, You have not put a dampener on things at all, so there is no need for your sudden concern in the society's affairs. They have not concerned you since you took over from John Grundy, so why bother now? Do you think the society has not followed due protocol on this matter? What may surprise you even more than the request for the name change was actually made by a senior civil servant from the Home Office, in a personal audience with His Majesty. I think that answers your question on that respect. The society's fundamental aim remains unchanged that is to encourage the study of all aspects of the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879. There is no management structure as we are not a business. We are not a profit-making operation, merely a group of people who share the same enthusiasm. Our officers are elected from the membership. Only one person receives any financial reward for his contribution, and that is our Staff Artist. Nor are we a charity. To my knowledge and understanding "Rorke's Drift Club" were not really an Anglo-Zulu War society, per se, rather their main interest or so I was given to understand was the film 'Zulu'. I fail to see the significance of your comment, perhaps you could expand on what you are implying? Hopefully not tarring us with the same brush? I would remind you that your three predecessors in the office of curator appeared to hold no objection to our society's existence, and we appeared to satisfy whatever criteria they applied to us. John Young, R.Z.W.S.
24th January 2003	Clive Dickens John , Well spoken and my I add the Anlo/Zulu war is NOT the sole property of the R.R.W or their predeecessors The South Wales Borders(24th foot) othe regiments took part in that conflict too so Martin please get off your hgih horse Lastly may I add my congratulations on your society being granted royal status Clive
24th January 2003	Maritn Everett It would nice if people could read my message. John has complained in previous messages about lack of support and encouragement from this source. I seriously wish to promote scholarship and learning about the 1879 AZW that is part of the remit of a museum. If John wishes me to promote the RZWS to members of the general public who visit Brecon, then I must have reassurance that the Society is organised in a proper way - a copy of the constitution would help enormously.
24th January 2003	Alan Critrchley Gentlemen, gentlemen, can we have a little calm here please. Alan [email protected]
24th January 2003	John Young Martin, To my knowledge a copy of the society's constitution was handed to Bob Smith in 1992, in the presence of the late 3rd Viscount Chelmsford. I presume it is still at the Museum. The only change is the name on the heading. John Young, Chairman, R.Z.W.S.