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Little Bighorn & Isandlwana. By Paul Williams
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Little Bighorn & Isandlwana : Kindred Fights, Kindred Follies.
by Paul Williams.

Did anyone else buy this comparative history book ?

What is your opinion of it ?

Thanks

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Hi Coll,

Here are a few related titles you may be interested in:

Gump, James. The Dust Rise Like Smoke: The Subjugation of the Zulu and the Sioux. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1994; reprint, Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1996. Xii + 178 pp., illustrations, maps.

Murchison, Roderick G., III. “A Comparative Analysis of the Battles of the Little Big Horn and Isandhlwana/Rorke’s Drift and the Similarities between the American Plains Indian and the Zulus.” South African Military History Journal 3, no. 2 (December 1974). This is a somewhat superficial comparison of the British Army and its opponents, organization, performance, tactics, and strategy at the Battle of Isandlwana (1879) with that of the U.S. Army at the 1876 Battle of the Little Big Horn. [Available on the Internet.]

Eckert, W.G. “Comparison of the Battles at the Little Bighorn and at Isandhlwana: Medicolegal and Forensic Aspects.” The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology: Official Publication of the National Association of Medical Examiners 13, no. 1 (March 1992): 56-68. This article compares, from a forensic perspective, the 1876 Battle of the Little Bighorn and the 1879 Battle of Isandlwana.

Good reading,
Harold
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Harold

Thanks for supplying details.

I have 'The Dust Rose Like Smoke' - great book.

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Hi Coll,

You're quite welcome. I hope you may also find these other titles of interest.

Cheers,
Harold
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Coll,

Yes, I do have it - but regret it is still on the [really quite large] 'to read' list!


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I hope you enjoy it as much as I.

Harold

May I take this opportunity to ask, if you know of any comparative history articles or book, that compare Isandlwana 1879 with Maiwand 1880 ?

Thanks in advance.

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Hi Coll,

I am sorry, but I do not know of any articles that compare Isandlwana and Maiwand. If I find any in the course of working on my AZW bibliography project (now totaling about 405 pages), I will definitely let you know.

Of related interest is:

Jalali, Ali A., and Lester W. Grau. "Expeditionary Forces: Superior Technology Defeated -- The Battle of Maiwand." Military Review 81 (March-April 2001): 71-82.

available online at:

http://usacac.army.mil/CAC/Repository/Materials/MilitaryReview-200106300001-DOC.pdf

Thanks and good reading!

Cheers,
Harold
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Harold

Thankyou.

I've only ever seen the comparison between Isandlwana and Maiwand made once, but unfortunately, it was a paragraph describing 'Khyber Pass Games' game version of Maiwand.

Maiwand, as has been suggested, has not been covered as much in publications, two of the 'knowns' I do have, the third, more recent publication's purchase is delayed at present.

Other than these, I think Maiwand is only covered in older books as a chapter or less, which is a pity.

Thanks again

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Hi Coll,

I expect the new Maiwand book you are referring to is:

Stacpoole-Ryding, Richard J. Maiwand: The Last Stand of the 66th (Berkshire) Regiment in Afghanistan, 1880. Stroud: History Press, 2008.

Related books include:

Ali, Mohammed. The Victor of Maiwand. Kabul: n.p., 1970.

Maxwell, Col. Leigh. My God -- Maiwand! Operations of the South Afghanistan Field Force, 1878-80. London: Leo Cooper, 1979.


Perrett, Bryan. Against All Odds! More Dramatic Last Stand Actions. London: Brockhampton Press, 2000. Contains a chapter on Maiwand.

Robson, B. "Further Light on Maiwand." Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research 299 (1996): 197-199.

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Harold
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Harold

Thanks very much.

Richard, the author of, my as yet unpurchased Maiwand book, I think is still seeking the C.O.I. transcript into the defeat, which I hope he succeeds with.

Myself, I'm hoping to finally obtain a portrait photo of Gen. Burrows, whom I don't think, has actually been visually identified in any sources.

Thanks for your help.

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Hi Coll,

You are very welcome.

There is an interesting review of the Richard J. Stacpoole-Ryding Maiwand book in the June 2009 issue of Soldiers of the Queen, p. 37.

Cheers,
Harold
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Hope you don't mind Coll I spent a little playtime to feature two of the warring forces that took part in the events that are being talk about and selected Isandlwana to put them together. Hope my playtime doesn't upset anyone....The Lt.

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Lt.

There's no harm in doing what you enjoy, whilst it is connected, somewhat, to the topic.

Makes one wonder, what it would have been like, in an extreme twist of history, had it been Gen. Custer and 5 Troops of the 7th Cavalry, that turned up at the camp, instead of Col. D. and the N.N.H.

One Troop sent back to escort the wagons, two Troops up on the heights, and the remaining two Troops with Custer out on the plain.

What would Autie have done differently, considering his actions at LBH, and what would he have thought of the Zulus, who were on foot, mostly armed with spears and shields, but numbering 20,000 warriors ?

Additionally, what would the 24th, etc., have thought of Custer and his men, as well as vice-versa ?

Interesting scenario.

This is a great painting of Custer's Last Stand -

http://www.custerwest.org/laststandchevalcsu.jpg

I tend to compare it with the colour plate of Durnford's Last Stand in Osprey's title 'British Forces In Zululand 1879'.

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Hi Coll,

Tonight I was perusing a copy of C.C.R. Murphy's A Mixed Bag (London: William Clowes, 1936). It contained two 2nd Afghan War-related chapters that may be of interest to you:

Chapter 3. Bobby of the Berkshires: The Epic of a Dog, pp. 29-34;
Chapter 9. The Battle of Maiwand: An Afghan Account, pp. 166-170.

You can probably acquire a copy of this book from your local library via interlibrary loan. Good reading!

Cheers,
Harold
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You know it's interesting to compare the two battles. They are so comparable especially in the area of one side losing their arguably tactical edge as the battles went on in time. And what's really poignant is the fact that both Custer's and Chelmsford's soldiers were completely annhilated. Bad things happen when the tide in battle turns and soldiers believe no quarter would be given.

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