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Please bear with me on this.
I know 'Zulu' was spectacular due to the scenery and uniforms, etc., in colour, but this other method could work.
I've watched several documentaries (films too) , where scenes/re-enactments are filmed in black-and-white, giving a dramatic 'aged' feel, but at the same time clear, crisp, sharp images, not grainy or dull.
Obviously, colour is fantastic, especially showing the African landscapes, as well as the various uniforms, but this way of filming, will/should allow more focus on action/details, rather than shades of red tunics, or other things that colour enhances.
Seeing old photographs in my Zulu War books, but also of other campaigns, including uniforms and portrait photographs of the era, 'takes you back' to the time, better than stunning colour.
Many fans of 'Zulu' may disagree, but from a historical view, even for a wider audience, black-and-white instead of colour could be the key, in bringing, on the big screen anyway, events somehow closer, narrowing the gap between now and then.
It is something that I'm concentrating more on, preventing me being obsessed with this colour and that, allowing to get to the heart of the historical battle without worrying about such a distraction.
Any opinions ?
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Sheldon
If you are still there, and still talking to me, I'm wondering about your opinion of more modern black-and-white films ?
Films, such as 'Schindler's List', set in W.W.2. which used it to great effect, with the memorable adding of red to the child's jacket, in amongst the bleakness and tragedy of the surroundings.
I can't think of any others at present, apart from a George Clooney film, set in the 50s or 60s.
Are you of the opinion, black-and-white being used nowadays, has a place or not in cinema, especially its use in historical films ?
C.J.
PS. Nothing to do with CGI or accuracy this time round.
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Haydn
Lowering the contrast/colour, I don't think will show b&w at its best, because there may be more to filming in b&w than not using colour film, to bring out the sharpness of the images, defining them more clearly.
I only know a tad about photography, which I know isn't exactly the same, but apparently to get a really good b&w photo, my book suggested using an orange filter over the lens. Not sure why.
Film-making techniques, must have a somewhat superior method of showing b&w at a higher level, taking into account lighting, shadows,etc.
C.J.
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You're quite right that black and white is more than a matter of turning the colour down on a monitor or even just shooting or printing on monochrome stock. Usually cinematographers will light differently for b&w, to bring out the contrast more - colour-in-b&w tends to took washed out. As for the value it brings, like any other technique it depends on why it's used - one common reason is that (as in the cases of the two Clooney films - though I think the self-directed GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK is much better than THE GOOD GERMAN) it's a shot cut to suggesting period, because of the association most people have of b&w with old movies. In the 50s and 60s, when it was no longer the standard "default" option or used for reasons of economy (colour stock became much cheaper in the 50s), it was chosen by many filmmakers because it created a more serious, "realistic" atmosphere than the overly bright colour stocks commonly used - hence its use in THE LONGEST DAY and THE TRAIN, to suggest semi-documentary realism. It can also be used for the opposite reason, to suggest a Gothic, expressionistic atmosphere (e.g. in horror and fantasy films, where it helps to create a stylised, self-contained world unlike the real one). But generalisations are odious!
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Sheldon
Many thanks for your detailed answer.
On a different, but connected way to 'Schindler's List', and the scene with the child's red jacket.
I've only seen something similar, in the film 'Reign Of Fire', which although wasn't filmed in b&w, the red colour of the tomatoes and the green of the apple were made to stand out against the bleak surroundings, as well as the flames from dragons and fires caused, outside of the castle walls.
Would dark filters have been used to dull down all the colours not suitable for what is meant to be a burned and blackened, post-apocalyptic environment ?
As it couldn't always just have been filmed on miserable, overcast days.
Obviously, various colours are more prominent inside the castle, with it being lit up by candlelight, etc., in the film.
C.J.
PS. Not sure what you will think of 'Reign Of Fire' as a film, but it is a favourite of mine - hence the new username - but it didn't do so well as the cinema, apparently costing about �60million, but only taking in �80 million.
These figures I've quoted, could be wrong now, as it doesn't include dvd sales, etc.
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