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The Scorer
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:51 pm |
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Paul Bryant-Quinn wrote: | I've been advised to re-post a query in this forum which I had originally put in the 'Off Topic' section.
Also - and this may have been discussed elsewhere - apart from the ones we know about in Nottingham and Tywyn (in the old Merionethshire), were there any other streets named for Isandhlwana or 'Sandula'? |
A simple check on Google Maps doesn't reveal any other streets, roads etc. in the UK using either version of the name.
However, it's interesting to note that Isandula Road in Nottingham is one of six streets with an AZW theme in the same area. The others are Chard Street, Chelmsford Road, Durnford Street, Ekowe Street and Zulu Road (no Bromhead Street, sadly!).
I wonder why this grouping came about? The streets are in the Bridgeford / West Bridgeford area, north of Nottingham. There doesn't seem to be any connection with Ruddington, where three defenders are buried, as this is in the south east of the city.
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Peter Ewart
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:10 pm |
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All depends when it was named (or renamed) Isandula, as the lake and the Tasmanians were there long before 1879. Assuming it's not from the indigenous language, both above possibilities look plausible - its rough resemblance to a sphinx when seen on a map, or the renaming in memory of the battle in or after 1879. Or both.
The latter would be perfectly in keeping with tradition. There are many placenames all over the world which have been changed in order to commemorate moving events thousands of miles away, even when there was no national, cultural or even linguistic connection. Examples such as Lidice (only one until 1942) come to mind. Isandlwana/Isandula was reported in the Tasmanian press as soon as word arrived and the shock would have been no less than anywhere in the Empire, barring perhaps South Africa, London, Brecon, Birmingham or Woolwich. Tasmania was as British as Natal (well, much more so, really) or Canada, India, New Zealand etc. Do we know whether the well known Isandula Rd in Nottingham was the only example, for instance?
Paul: Since you posted your question I've come across some fairly late examples now & again but keep forgetting to note them!!!
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Perhaps the best-known Australian, who was out with Chemsford on 22 January 1879, but who brought the news of the Zulu sack of the camp, was Commandant Rupert Lonsdale.
Rupert La Trobe Lonsdale was born in Melbourne, Australia on 23 August 1849. He was the fourth son of William Lonsdale (1799-1864), Chief Agent of Government, Police Magistrate and Commandant for the Port Phillip region of Melbourne, Australia, and one of the original founders of the city in 1836. (Rupert�s second forename was in honour of Charles Latrobe (1801-1875), who arrived in Melbourne in October 1839 as Port Phillip�s first Superintendent and succeeded Lonsdale senior as General Agent of Government. ) Both Lonsdale and La Trobe are remembered by Melbourne streets for whom they are named and there is also a La Trobe University in Melbourne. William Lonsdale�s father, James, married Jane Faunce, thus bringing that name into the family. William had at least two brothers, Alured and James Faunce.
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