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Neil Aspinshaw
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:09 pm |
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Hmm. This look to have been built out of various parts.
The Proof marks look like Liege. But then agian the barrel is odd anyway. The proof marks are not military.
The forend hook and forend wood is military, it is off a cavalry carbine, there looks to be filled holes between the reciver and middle band, (also staining) that is where the screws that held the leather sight protector once where, the sight is part of the barrel and is brazed on on a rifle, whereby the carbine rear sight is dovetailed on and can be removed. The front band fitted is also from a cavalry carbine as there is no bayonet lug, so this whole assembly has been replaced.
The cocking indicator is off a Mk1/2 rifle, being a long indicator variety. that is incorrect for the receiver as the Mk3 rifle and Cavalry carbines did not use that size indicator, the lack of a broad arrow point this to be a later addition or, my guess what you have is... A private purchase rifle, either Birmingham or Liege trade pattern. With a M-H cavalry carbine forend fitted.
One last thing... is it rifled? or has it been smoothbored.
Neil www.martinihenry.co.uk
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Adrian Whiting
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:19 pm |
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Hello,
These are indeed Belgian proof marks applied at Liege. The "E" over "LG" over a star is the black powder proof. The mark that looks like a baton on top of a pyramid is the black powder view mark. The others are the viewer's marks.
The Belgian trade produced many military pattern Martini Henrys, though for civilian use. These are not, to my recollection, Belgian military proof marks, as the military proof is surmounted by a crown above the "E" etc. Rifles such as these were retailed privately, and in many cases, though not this one, the retailer applied their own details to the knoxform, or flat area just forward of the actiona body. I have seen examples with retailer's details engraved on the side of the action body too.
Martini Henrys in British service calibre were popular civilian arms, given the ready availability of the ammunition. They were widely used for target shooting and for shooting game.
Neil is absolutely right in that a British service cavalry carbine forend (second pattern as far as I can tell) has been fitted subsequently. The rifle appears to have retained a rifle length cleaning rod. The picture is not absolutely clear but it looks as if the protruding end is threaded? If so the rod is either of a trade pattern too, is inserted the wrong way round (which is usually not possible unless the head has been ground down) or is a carbine length not fully pushed home (although the same would apply as to the rod apparently being the wrong way round).
The cocking indicator would not be correct if this were a British Service Martini Henry MkIII, but is correct for the Belgian trade patterns.
Essentially I would concur with Neil, and offer that you have a Belgian manufactured rifle, for civilian purchase, subsequently fitted with a British MHCC forend.
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